Gary Martoccio

Gary Martoccio (00:00)
The challenge when being on your own is getting new cases, right? Finding that new business.

Kevin Daisey (00:05)
All right, lights, camera, action. What's up everyone? Here for another recording, a live episode of the Managing Partners podcast. Today I have Gary Martacio on the show. He's down in Tampa. He runs an employment firm and he's going to tell us a story here in a second. Gary, welcome to the show. Gary started his own firm, Startup Firm.

And so we're going to be just going through the ends and outs and struggles and rewards of starting up your own firm. Obviously this show is all about running a business, in particular a law firm business, always trying to learn and know what's going on out there. So excited to hear Gary's story. So Gary, welcome brother.

Gary Martoccio (00:48)
Kevin, thanks so much for having me, I really appreciate it.

Kevin Daisey (00:51)
Yeah, it's been good to get to chat with you. Just so you all know, any guests I have on the show, I always talk to them first. And this is not a show where you just sign a form up and show up and I just ask you questions. I want to get to know everybody and see what they're about first. So it's cool though, because I get, I already talked to Gary and we've already had a video discussion and learned a bunch about it before this conversation.

And it makes it a lot easier to have a second conversation. So pro tip for any of you podcasters out there, if you got your own legal podcast or something like that, you know, have a pre-discussion. I go to own shows all the time where it's like, you just show up and you're like, I don't know anybody. I don't know what's going on. So I just think it's lot easier this way. Gary, tell us, tell us your story. How'd you, how'd you become a lawyer and

You're in Tampa and in the wall that you are, like tell us what's up.

Gary Martoccio (01:50)
I appreciate that. So, you know, it was really funny. I didn't really have aspirations to be a lawyer growing up. It kind of happened pretty fast. I played baseball my whole life. I played baseball through college. You know, like most people that are playing sports, you kind of think you're going to play forever. you know, that forever ended in college for me. I was at Rollins College in Winter Park, Florida, just outside of Orlando. And yeah, it's just beautiful, right? Yeah, it is.

Kevin Daisey (02:16)
I love that area, by the way. The sweet spot. Yeah.

Gary Martoccio (02:20)
Great. So yeah, get to, you know, and sorry, I'll try to make this quick, but I get to the end of the road there with baseball and I was like, you know, what am I going to do? I think I want to coach baseball. So I get into that grad assistant coaching college for about two, three months. And I'm like, Hey, I don't know if this is for me. You know, I liked playing a lot more than I liked coaching. And a buddy of mine.

best friend of mine, he's an attorney now. He tells me, she went to law school. His dad was an attorney, know, was what he was focusing on after baseball. I played with him as well. And I was like, you know what, sounds like a great idea. And it was right around the like financial crisis. So there's really no jobs. This was 2008, 2009. So I was like, yeah, why not? I'll go hide out in law school for a little bit and see what happens. And I ended up

taking the LSAT, the engines exam and get up to Florida State University where I went to law school. yeah, was a great time. Florida State was awesome, great experience. Still didn't know what I wanted to do after law school. I didn't really want to do anything traditional. But yeah, eventually the same people that hid out in law school or any other grad school during the financial crisis now all came out and were looking for jobs in 2012 when I graduated. So the law.

Law market was pretty saturated. wasn't a whole lot of opportunity with anything else. So I said, all right, I guess I'm going to be a traditional lawyer. took the first job that I got. I guess I'll say I was looking for jobs on the plaintiff side. So I took the first plaintiff side job that I got. It was an employment law firm, plaintiff's employment law firm. And I just ended up loving it and worked with that firm for 12 years until I started my own firm about six months ago.

That's the story. I've loved every minute of it since. I like this area a lot. It's really interesting. It's fun. It's cool. It keeps you your toes.

across the flood boxes and it's a way to make a living. So yeah, I've been happy with stumbling upon this area of loss.

Kevin Daisey (04:27)
Yeah, so that's awesome. So you're helping employees on the plaintiff's side. You know, a lot of firms that come across that are employment law are on the other side of the fence. So that's what you do. In business for six months. And here you are in a podcast. And I want to say, you had someone reach out to me, I believe saying, hey, have Gary on the podcast. He's been in business for six months.

And he's doing podcast outreach and being on shows. I think that's pretty impressive because using the first year or two or three, you're not even, I mean, you're just head down trying to get a lead, trying to do the work, trying to get your feet underneath you. So tell me a little bit about how the first six months have been and like kind of what you've accomplished in the short amount of time to be like, you know what? I need to be on podcasts. I need to get myself out there.

Gary Martoccio (05:26)
Absolutely. Yeah, so honestly, my day-to-day work feels pretty much the same as it did when I was with the firm. Being in this area of law for 12 years, I basically just replicated everything I was doing with my firm and the process and how to work cases. All that stuff stays the same.

Kevin Daisey (05:26)
What's that been like?

Gary Martoccio (05:51)
You know, so things have been great. The challenge when being on your own is getting new cases, right? Finding that new business.

But it's been good. It's been good. You know, I have been using many different sources to get new cases. Online marketing, of course, is number one. I have had some good referral relationships with some other law firms. And word of mouth, word of mouth has been great. Doing this for 12 years, I mean, I've handled thousands of cases. So.

You start seeing someone's cousin, sister, brother, nephew come around, right? I'm getting to the age where I'm approaching 40. I'm 39 right now where a lot of friends or friends of friends are having issues, which, my younger years of practicing didn't really happen that much. And if it did, people really weren't bringing claims. now, approaching the 40s, I'm seeing a lot of people having issues, pregnancy discrimination.

things like that pop up more and more. So yeah, I've got a pretty good network based out of Tampa, Florida, but like you were saying, practicing some other states, I'm in nine different states. So yeah, it's been good. Finding cases has been good. There's a lot of people with employment issues, which I don't think that's ever gonna change, regardless of where we're sitting in a good or bad economy. I think it's kind of cyclical.

Yeah, either side of it you You can kind of benefit off of that You know, there's always gonna be issues one way the other but but yeah, things have been great Sure answer your questions been great so far I'm happy with the decision to go out on my own and try to try to build something for myself. I think That's what I was missing being with a with a bigger firm, which it was awesome I had a great experience there the firms called Spielberger Law Group will give them a plug I mean there I'm outstanding for my outstanding experience there, but I really just wanted to build something for myself built some

Yeah, it's been far so good.

Kevin Daisey (07:50)
Yeah, it's awesome. I forgot, yeah, your multi-state, so you're in 9-States? Yeah.

Gary Martoccio (07:55)
9-States,

Florida, Illinois, Massachusetts, Arizona, North Carolina, Texas, Tennessee, Pennsylvania, and Georgia. believe that comes.

Kevin Daisey (08:04)
That's pretty

awesome. So obviously at your previous firm, you were adding those states and growing that. mean, it sounds like you're a pretty big asset over there at the old firm.

Gary Martoccio (08:17)
Right, right. they, you know, lot of the attorneys at my prior firm have licenses in multiple states. You know, I think with employment law, because you've got to be pretty selective with cases just because of at-will employment laws. Not every person that gets fired has a case where, you know, in personal injury, you know, if someone gets rear-ended, they're going to have the case to some extent, probably, right? It just depends on a couple of factors here and there.

With employment law, it's a lot more complicated and the acceptance rate of cases is very low. If you get 100 leads, you're probably only finding 10 of them that have an actual case and a claim. So because of that, it's best to have a wider reach. I don't know many people that can survive just getting cases from one city.

Maybe one state. There's a lot of people that survive off of one state, like one region, you have to cast a wider net, I guess is what I'm saying, just because of the nature of employment laws.

Kevin Daisey (09:14)
OK.

That's a good point. I have some PI clients that literally focus on one city and that's it. They don't even go across the state. I got plenty that go across the state and then I got some are multi-state, but it tends to be more city or region specific. And there's lots of lead potential just in that area that you're still, not even, it's not like they're getting all the leads. So that's interesting. That makes sense though.

So for employment law, just spread yourself out a little bit to pick up more cases.

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Kevin Daisey (11:22)
We talked about this before, but remote employees. So like I have 50 remote employees across, I don't know, two dozen states probably at this point. And so kind of like what that looks like too. for anyone listening, lawyers, you have remote employees or any business that has that. So say my remote employees in one of your states, but I'm...

in Virginia, like what does that look like and how does that change things?

Gary Martoccio (11:54)
So I think either an attorney licensed in the state that the employee works out of or someone licensed in Virginia could handle it. I think it could easily be handled either way. I think the person could probably get away with filing a claim in either state, the one that they live and complete their work in or where they're reporting to. And that remote employee is going to have the same rights and company is to have to the same laws as it would with its

brick and mortar employees. Now, FMLA is where it gets a little tricky, the Family Medical Leave Act, and that's still kind of, the law is still kind of up in the air on that right now. The Department of Labor is the agency that offers guidance on the FMLA. And while I don't think it's entirely been clear in every federal court circuit as to how this is going to be interpreted, but what the Department of Labor is saying is,

those remote employees, their work site per the Department of Labor, which is how you measure if someone's eligible for FMLA, their work site is considered where their headquarters of the company is or the office of that company that they report to. Their work site isn't considered their home. So that's where you want to be careful because I see a lot of employers making the mistake.

of saying, okay, we don't have 50 employees within a 75 mile radius of where that person's home is, which 50 employees within the 75 mile radius is the FMLA eligibility criteria. When in actuality, the work site that you need to measure whether you have 50 employees within a 75 mile radius of is the office that that employee reports to, which if you're in Virginia and that employee sitting, let's say in Tampa, Florida, where I am and

It's based off of how many employees you have within a radius of that Virginia office that the person reports to. So it's still up in the air. mean, some employers, I guess, can take a more aggressive position than others and kind of see how the court fleshes it out. I've been kind of monitoring some cases to see how things are going to transpire. And like anything, I'm sure California courts may rule differently than, you know, Texas and whatnot. And you're going to see maybe a Supreme Court case in the near future on it.

Kevin Daisey (13:53)
Interesting.

Gary Martoccio (14:14)
It's very interesting, it's an involving area along.

Kevin Daisey (14:16)
Essentially, think also my office, 275 mile radius, I probably have nine or 10 at the most. The rest are in other states. So interesting to know that. But I'd like the how you know, getting lead sources and being multi-state and in your field versus again, know, criminal or divorce or the other areas of law that I'm more familiar with, honestly.

and, you know, I guess that's another challenge too. You know, like you said, you need, you know, lot of leads, lot of them might not have a case, but you might've paid for those leads or, you know, online marketing or PPC or SEO, but, but you have to get, get out there and make a big reach, probably build a lot of referral partners, other attorneys, would assume is a big part of your growth plan. So.

So the podcast didn't make sense. Everyone send Gary some leads.

Gary Martoccio (15:15)
That's it. There we go.

Kevin Daisey (15:19)
Yeah, and the thing is, the reality is, mean, everyone listening right now, most of my guests are PI or most of my listeners are PI or criminal or divorce for the most part when I interact with folks. Employment law, plaintiff side, it's just not something that I come across as often. Guests, for sure, clients. I have one plaintiff employment law firm in

California that does some pretty high volume. Outside of that, I don't really see it mixed in with a lot of the firms, even their general practice, it's still one of those I don't see often. So I don't know why that is, but it seems like more of a niche area that has a lot of room for growth.

Gary Martoccio (16:11)
Sure, sure. It's challenging the way the laws are written. think when I tell some people what I do, their initial reaction is, well, how do you have any cases? Can't you just fire anybody for any reason? That's a lot of, that right there is how I get cases if people think they can do that. But it's tough. It's more challenging than other areas. You're typically not seeing massive.

Kevin Daisey (16:25)
That's how you get in trouble. Oh man.

Gary Martoccio (16:38)
judgments or court awards. But they're not like peanuts either, you know. It's a lot of, know, how the court bases its awards off of is someone's earnings, right? What they lost in income as a result of termination. You know, you can get pain and suffering, emotional harm, just like other areas of law. So you see some really decent sized awards and, you know, yeah, you typically see millions of dollars. not unless it's someone

had a guaranteed contract and it was breached or whatnot. it's a rewarding area of law for sure because you get to help people out of time that they're really needing money because they rely on their income. And most people don't have a ton set aside. I don't know what the statistics say, but most people.

Kevin Daisey (17:31)
The

ones I've heard even recently, it's pretty grim out there if you hear for real the percentage of population that.

Gary Martoccio (17:36)
Bye.

two

months of savings maybe most people have. So it's tough, it's tough when someone loses their job, you know?

Kevin Daisey (17:44)
Yeah, it's crazy out there. you know, people rely on their jobs and they're, that they could just be that close to losing for one reason or another, you know, as a company or owner, not safe from anything economic or whatever as well. it's a lot of risk with everything we do. what, you know, maybe is there a few tips, you know, outside of just running your business? I want to ask another few questions about that, but, you know, what's some tips for, you know, our

Lawyers listen to that have a lot of employees and have brick and mortar and they're growing and they're hard charging and then you get a situation like this. What's some tips for the process for offboarding an employee for documenting things? I know we have a pretty robust documentation process and things like that, but it doesn't make you safe.

Gary Martoccio (18:42)
Documentation is great. You want to be fair across the board and apply your policies equally. Try to be as fair as possible. I think one of the biggest things that I tell employers that I ask, and I've never represented an employer, I'll say that I've only represented employees. I've always wanted to keep it that way so I can say that I have never been on the other side.

Kevin Daisey (19:04)
Yeah.

Gary Martoccio (19:04)
Yeah,

friends or family members or whatnot that would ask, I always say, just try to avoid the claim before it gets there. I think a lot of defense attorneys tell employers, just document, document, document. They tell them how to defend the case, which is great, but I think you want to try to avoid the claim in the first place. there's a couple of things that I'd recommend to do to avoid that. You want to terminate people gracefully.

is amicable as it can be on the way out the door. You know, don't want to create emotions. You want to try to limit that employee being emotional about it the best that you can. Be graceful. Give people opportunities. Give them documentation. Give them a fair chance to improve if there's issues. You know, I think that's the first thing. And then another thing where I see a lot of what infuriates a lot of employees and what leads them to call me.

Kevin Daisey (19:52)
Yeah.

Gary Martoccio (20:01)
is when an employer can test an application for unemployment benefits, you wouldn't believe how many people were not going to bring a case that may actually have one. And they all of sudden pick up the phone and call me or call another plaintiff's attorney and say, hey, this employer is contesting unemployment benefits. That leads people to talk to attorneys. And once people start talking to attorneys, they take their case, right? So I don't know. An employer sometimes

let's like stick it to somebody for lack of better words, but I think that sometimes backfires and it's not like the world is doing you as soft if you don't, just don't contest someone's application for unemployment benefits. Cause honestly, chances are they're going to get approved anyway. It's really hard to block someone's unemployment. Not saying it's impossible, but I would have refrained from that. And then just other things like be graceful with people's medical benefits on the way out. If there's a way to give them.

Kevin Daisey (20:32)
Yeah

Gary Martoccio (20:59)
an extra month of coverage while they figure things out. I think people really appreciate that. Don't mess with people's final paychecks, things like that. Right, exactly. So I think those type of things. Don't give someone a bad reference. If another employer calls, give them dates of employment and position title.

Kevin Daisey (21:08)
for their family with medical, right? Pretty much.

Gary Martoccio (21:23)
Only say, we have a neutral reference policy. We don't say anything good or bad. Here's when they work there. Kind of keep it to that. So that type of stuff, I think, will help you avoid the claim. And if you're worried on the way out, I think giving someone a severance package, like a fair severance package, it makes sense because you can say, hey, we'll pay you for X amount of months or whatnot as long as you sign this agreement. Give them a graceful landing. Now, sometimes those people will still call an attorney.

And sometimes if someone doesn't have a claim, may make them think they have a claim if you're presenting them with this big old agreement. I think that's a, most people, if you give them a fair package, they may sign it right away. So that's another thing to think about. There's really different opinions on those. think that consult with your defense attorney on that. But yeah, those are just ideas that I've had.

Kevin Daisey (22:13)
If they sign that, guess it's basically saying, I'm not going to, yeah. you know, I like the tips on just avoid it as if you can. It's like, to me, it's like handling a bad review for your law firm. You get a bad review, come in, you could go on there and respond publicly. You know, knocking down the person that left the bad review publicly in some long winded response.

Gary Martoccio (22:18)
Right. Not gonna pursue a claim, yeah.

Kevin Daisey (22:42)
But you know that's not the right way to do it and it's not going to help anybody. It's not going help you, that's for sure. And so you got to kind of like just swallow it. If you can, solve it with them and maybe they can get the review taken down. But it sounds very similar to that, where you need to take a step back and think about the other implications versus like trying to stick it to someone that you just want to stick it to.

Gary Martoccio (23:02)
Right.

Kevin Daisey (23:10)
Carry on with your business, you're growing your firm, do it gracefully like you said, and keep moving on. So that's great tip. Hopefully no one has that problem out there listening. But good tips, I appreciate that. So back to your business. You're in business for six months, this is crazy. I feel like six months goes by so fast, just running a business.

Gary Martoccio (23:22)
That's right.

Ready guys?

Kevin Daisey (23:38)
So, but if you all listen, if you go to his website, which website address, it's

Gary Martoccio (23:46)
It's martocciofirm.com, so my last name, M-A-R-T-O-C-C-I-O. That's right.

Kevin Daisey (23:50)
TassioFirm.com. Yeah.

Nice website. He's on podcasts. He's generating leads. He's up and running. Do you have your own office space there in Tampa?

Gary Martoccio (24:00)
Yes, sir. have a brick and mortar in Tampa and then we have satellite offices in nine other cities. nine other cities. we, they're like virtual offices, kind like a WeWork type space. It's called the industrious. But anytime we're in those cities, we can use the office and it's great to, if you need to meet with a client or just have an office space, you know, in between meetings or hearings or whatever brings you to that city. So yeah, I've already got.

Kevin Daisey (24:28)
So that's the 9-States

that you serve.

Gary Martoccio (24:30)
Right, right. So I'm in Florida and eight other states. I actually have two virtual offices in North Carolina where we get a ton of business from North Carolina. That's after Florida, the next biggest area that we're in. we've got Charlotte and Raleigh there. And yeah, I've got to know the state of North Carolina pretty well over last few years.

Kevin Daisey (24:50)
I'm 15 minutes from the border here in Virginia. So not too far away. That's super cool. So I mean, again, so what's your team look like?

Gary Martoccio (24:52)
There we go. There we go.

Yeah, so right now we have one legal assistant. It was my legal assistant from my old firm. I have an associate attorney that worked with me at the old firm as well. They were super excited to come over and help build this firm. They've been an amazing asset. And then we have two call center folks is what I would call them. They're remote intake specialist is the official name that answer all the intake calls.

potential clients they deal with. And then we have three law clerks from Stetson University Law School, which is in Gulfport, Florida, just outside of St. Petersburg. So the law clerks are amazing. They're like really sharp kids. Stetson has some really good, great, great students there. And I went through the Employment Law Club at Stetson.

They actually have a club for it. Yeah, and I spoke at it actually about a year or two ago and got to meet some of the kids. And yeah, they've been really great assets. So I have three from Stetson and they help us with a lot of the backend drafting documents and things like that. Help us be able to take on a greater volume of cases and give us that support. Yeah, they all work part time remotely from school, but they stopped by. They're about an hour away. They stopped by any time they're in town.

Kevin Daisey (25:53)
Cool.

That's super cool. you have your other two that came with you. They're full time with you.

Gary Martoccio (26:25)
Both time in the office, yeah.

Kevin Daisey (26:28)
So you like Jerry Maguire this thing, you're like, who's going with me?

Gary Martoccio (26:33)
No, I tried to be as good as possible on the way out. Yeah, that would have been crazy. Jeremy Barr is a great movie. He's an awesome movie. That's actually one of my favorites. But no, was pretty really amicable. My prior firms, we still have a good relationship and all that good stuff. It just got to the point where it was time. Two people that I worked closely with, they were essentially my team.

at the other firm. yeah, they're excited for the opportunity.

Kevin Daisey (27:02)
That's awesome. mean, six months in, got multiple people, multiple offices. In six months, that's a lot to pull off right there, just getting all that stuff set up and choosing the cities and setting up agreements and all that good stuff. So it's kind like a WeWork. Are you able to do Google business profiles with those locations?

Gary Martoccio (27:08)
Right.

Right,

right. It's a full blown office. have leases, legit separate leases with all of them. It's like MySpace. I have a mailing address. I have a mailbox there. They forward mail. It's a legit office. It's just what we have to disclose on our website is by appointment only, which even our main office is by appointment only. No one's sitting in there daily other than the industrious receptionist that forwards the mail or whatnot. But yeah, they're legit office spaces.

Kevin Daisey (27:30)
And so forth.

Gary Martoccio (27:52)
Yeah, we use them.

Kevin Daisey (27:53)
That's awesome, man. Yeah, great growth strategy too, if you're looking to pick up work in those areas and have an office location that's, when you talk about digital or ads or showing up online, that local signal is still very important. Actually more important than ever actually right now with Google and getting listed. So super cool, man. You just done so much in six months. I'm impressed.

Gary Martoccio (28:15)
that's a great point.

Kevin Daisey (28:19)
If you're listening and you haven't done half the stuff, like you've been in business for a long time, then no excuses. That's for sure. How many podcasts have you been on? Is this something you just started as a new effort?

Gary Martoccio (28:19)
thinking about it for a little while.

Right, right, yeah. This is the second one that I've done. It's really cool and thanks so much for having me. It's been a great experience. yeah, I know podcasts are a way to get your name out there and hopefully I can bring some value to your listeners and give you some good content. It's mutually beneficial.

Kevin Daisey (28:55)
Yeah, man, mean, again, it should be a good wake up call for some folks. And, you know, I do have a lot of, a lot of guests that reached out to me that, that still work at a firm, like a big firm. And they're like, yeah, I'm going to start my own thing. And they usually have like a year or two out. They're kind of thinking the planning. And so I've talked to a bunch of them, that just reached out to me and, they're playing way ahead. And to some degree, yeah, planning is good, but.

you'll never be ready completely. you just gotta, at some point you gotta take the jump and get going.

Gary Martoccio (29:29)
All right.

Right, you definitely have to plan and be prepared, but I read something before I made the jump. There's an article, I where it was actually, but it was a Florida based attorney that was talking about how he started his own personal injury firm. And he was just like, I got to the point where I said, I'm not doing this another day with a firm. And I just did it. Like you just got to dive in and that kind of gave me a wake up call.

wouldn't say planning, but thinking about it for a while, just like anybody does, has been with a firm a long time and has ambitions to do their own thing. But that kind of made me think, what are you waiting for? Let's make it happen, you know what to do.

great advice. I the guy's name is just up in my mind. was in Miami based, the person who wrote it. It was a great article.

Kevin Daisey (30:13)
Yeah, that's kind how

I did. I kind of, once I got my head, I think I was maybe six months and I was like gone. But I was just so excited and was waiting for the day to just make it official. But it was really young. I was really young. So it's like I didn't have any money. And I was like, well, I can't do it yet. So.

Gary Martoccio (30:27)
I did.

Kevin Daisey (30:35)
I kind of took that route. But yeah, I just had a girl on a lady yesterday in Florida out of Palm Beach. We recorded this week and we recorded on her one year anniversary of starting her own firm. But what she's accomplished too, I was just like blown away. She's crushing it. And one year in, and so just love hearing those stories and seeing people.

Take the plunge, I love business, I love entrepreneurship, and I think everyone that is right for it should be doing it. Not everyone's right for it. But it sounds like you're doing a good job. So thanks for sharing, man. I appreciate you coming to share what it's like in today's environment, starting your own firm and doing it. There's so many good people out there, a lot of listeners, a lot of guests that are just open to help.

Gary Martoccio (31:12)
Thank

Kevin Daisey (31:29)
you and so I would definitely say, you know, connect with folks and get on LinkedIn and you'd be surprised how fast you get worked into the law firm owner, you know, group out there. It's just very open and everyone's willing to help each other and there's just unlimited resources out there. So I just try to be one of them by having the podcast.

Gary Martoccio (31:51)
Right? Yeah.

I, since I've been friends with you like a week on LinkedIn, I saw that we like, I came across someone else's profile and it said, you're joking, actually Kevin. was like, oh, yeah, that's awesome. it was, I was just clicking around as someone in law, from different market and something like

So yeah, like I said, everybody's connection to a way, you know.

Kevin Daisey (32:11)
It's, yeah, once, you know, once you look around, it's like, wow, like, okay. Yeah, I'll look at LinkedIn posts and I'll be like, I know 20 people that just liked or commented on the same post. And like, that was a guess on my show or that's a client or whatever, but it's the people out there really blazing the trails and like doing well and growing their law firms and they're vocal about it. Like, like that's a, that's a tight group there and you can, you can get your way in and they just, they're open. Everyone's open to help you out. And

very approachable and it's just been great for me to be a part of. Well, Gary, man, what's the best way for people to connect with you and reach out other than your website? We mentioned that. What's the best way for them to, is it LinkedIn?

Gary Martoccio (32:57)
Email is probably the best, my just regular email. It's gary, so g-a-r-y at martocciofirm.com. that's it, email is great. And then I have an Instagram, it's called employmentlawgary. I only have one post so far, but we're trying to get more active on there.

Kevin Daisey (33:14)
So EmploymentLawGary on Instagram. Check out his one post. He will be posting more. If not, this podcast, we're going to put a bunch of clips and we'll tag him and he'll have some more content.

Gary Martoccio (33:16)
Okay, I'll let her work it.

That's right, that's right.

This will be posted, yeah.

Kevin Daisey (33:29)
That's awesome. Hey man, I appreciate you sharing today and I look forward to watching you grow up.

Gary Martoccio (33:36)
Thank you much for having me. It's been an absolute pleasure. Thank you.

Kevin Daisey (33:39)
Yeah, man. All right, everyone,

thank you so much for tuning in. Appreciate you listening to Gary and getting to know him better. And let's push him along, reach out to him, connect with him, and give him some love. And we'll see where he goes from here. So we'll talk to you all soon. Peace.

Gary Martoccio (33:54)
Thanks, Finn.