Evgeny Orlov

Kevin Daisey:

All right. We are recording. What’s up, everyone? Welcome to another live recording of the Managing Partners Podcast. I’m Kevin Daisey, your host, also, the founder of Array Digital. We exist to help law firms grow their practice through digital marketing. So if you need that kind of help, please reach out. Today, I have a really awesome guest, special guest actually coming live out of St. Petersburg in Russia today, owns a practice based out of Panama. So he’s got a really cool story. I’m really interested to get talking with him and have you guys learn more about what he’s up to. So Evgeny, welcome podcast. Thanks for coming on.

Evgeny:

Very good to meet you, Kevin and thank you for having me. It’s a great pleasure.

Kevin Daisey:

Yes, sir. So Evgeny and I have had a little bit of chance to talk backstage here before recording. He is in St. Petersburg at the moment. And what time is it there, Evgeny?

Evgeny:

It’s about 5:30 now.

Kevin Daisey:

5:30. So we’re just getting started here. It’s 10:30 in Virginia in the U.S. So he’s at the end of his day there, but Evgeny, tell us… You have a unique story already, a background, but start us out from where you’re from and where you grew up and we’ll get more into what you’re up to now and how you got to where you are.

Evgeny:

Yeah. It’s been a long journey with lots of interesting steps in the way, but I was born in Moscow and I immigrated as essentially a refugee from Moscow because the family was Jewish and in the ’70s, there was an opportunity for them to escape the communist regime legally. So a lot left. We were among the first. My dad was a plastic surgeon in a medical family. We immigrated. I grew up essentially in Australia, got my education there, and then in the ’90s, I went back to Russia, started one of the biggest law firms in the far east, was involved in investment in shipping and oil and gas and all those areas. Then went in different parts of the world, including eventually the islands in Fiji and Vanuatu, where I worked with the passport program we created or actually my friend, Stefan Mondell created the first Vanuatuan passport program with the government.

Evgeny:

He changed the law. He actually won the lottery 22 times using a Fibonacci code to win that and he was… So here’s a bit of a Maverick, very interesting guy. And there, we started with one of the world’s… Well, actually of Hong Kong’s wealthiest people, the concept of what we call a future city or a private city and then that didn’t go ahead because the government changed. So then after various adventures, because one of my passions was basically human rights law and structuring and trust law, though that sounds a bit contradictory, but the two, I very much was a passionate believer of Ayn Rand, which is what they call the quite wrongly there, narco capitalist movement, which is basically the minimal involvement of government in life. Because of that, I’ve been involved in litigation against governments in many ways and [crosstalk 00:03:49] have had a lot of experience in that field.

Evgeny:

A lot of it negative, what governments can do to you and they’ve also protected many of my clients and advised them when they get attacked. So I decided or I have been part of what we call the plan B movement, which is the movement to structure yourself to minimize your interaction with all sorts of nasty creatures, like creditors and governments and ex-spouses and et cetera. And that has been… The concept has been the creation of what we call a family office program, which is the structuring of your own complete family office system. And then I wrote a book which… Under a nom de plume because it’s controversial.

Kevin Daisey:

Yeah. You said that. That’s very interesting.

Evgeny:

Yeah. Yeah. I said it. That book is called Avoiding Death and Taxes. It’s on Amazon. It talks about basically from my own experiences with very powerful clients who are not named in the book about how they’ve been attacked using political instruments and the law illegally, and how many have lost their fortunes due to that, and generally talking about the way the system is rigged against the individual and other things based on Ayn Rand’s philosophy, but you’ll have to read it to see [crosstalk 00:05:26].

Kevin Daisey:

Well, I’m looking forward to reading it. Yeah. So I did a Google search, everyone tuning in, if you’re listening on the podcast or through one of our video channels, you can Google Avoiding Death and Taxes. It’ll come up pretty quickly by Eugene Freeman. Correct?

Evgeny:

Yes. Correct.

Kevin Daisey:

Yeah. So that’s his and his other name. So please check that out. I’m interested to read it and I’m going to do that right away. I’m going to order me a copy today. So tell us a little bit more too. Well, I have some websites listed below on the screen, NTLwealth.com, which is your… That’s the practice based out of Panama?

Evgeny:

Yeah. Well, actually the law firm in Panama’s called Mundo Lawyers. It’s a family office law firm. The firm that NTL Wealth is… Of which I’m also CEO is an international firm dealing basically in second citizenship. It’s one of the top in the Russian market and growing in Latin America and we’re very much interested in working with Americans. We’ve had more and more Americans coming. Before, Americans thought it was crazy to have a second citizenship. They didn’t understand that America is no longer America nor the ideals are no longer the ideals. So we have an office in St. Kitts and Nevis, one of the oldest offices there with our own legal team for trusts and asset protection and passports. We have our own teams all over the Caribbean, one of the oldest companies in the Caribbean for second passports, and we do second passports in other jurisdictions through our co-partners firms, and basically, we structure wealth.

Evgeny:

So we specialize in the creation of family offices. So Mundo is our portal, which is a family office type of club, which teaches people in a way, how to structure and how to invest in a non-traditional method. For example, just a simple example, your usual financial advisor will tell you if you get 1% a year, it’s going to be great. We have, for example, a bond backed by gold in Panama from a family office that buys gold. He buys it in futures and secures it with the bond. In other words, he uses the cash flow, paying 8% a year fixed in American currency by gold. That’s just one. We have IPOs, pre IPOs, which have a huge potential. We have funds, we have real estate investment in Panama. We can buy an apartment in the center of the city for 115,000 with only 30% down and over five years by the developer. So what we do is-

Kevin Daisey:

Wow.

Evgeny:

… we teach our clients basically how to structure themselves legally, so far. I mean, the world is trying to make any wealth illegal as we speak, but so far legally, and how to structure themselves in a way that they become a perpetual family office. And I can tell you about that if you like. I mean, it’s… Yeah.

Kevin Daisey:

Yeah. I mean, all this stuff is very interesting and I think unique to the podcast here, so, yeah, I appreciate you sharing what you know and what you’re doing. I think it’s all very interesting stuff and I think from American standpoint, yeah, I don’t think I know anyone that has another passport. How common is that in other countries, for everyone listening?

Evgeny:

Without saying too much, although what I’m saying is probably saying too much already, most of the wealthiest people in the world have second passports simply because they’re politically exposed. In other words, when you’re wealthy, you’ll be attacked. Let’s take something that everybody vilifies, The Communist Party in China, right? I mean, everybody understands. It simply works like this. If you’re a member of The Communist Party in China and you get out of favor with one of the people in your party who’s more powerful than you, he’ll have you executed and sell your organs on the open market. It’s as simple as that. Now for them, a second passport is a life insurance policy. If you’re in any country which is considered a dictatorship, a second passport basically is an insurance policy of what happened because the government can basically freeze your passport, take it away, stop you for any reason. Usually they use reasons like you haven’t paid tax because you had a cup of coffee 20 years ago which you didn’t declare. Right now, [crosstalk 00:10:36].

Kevin Daisey:

So they can make up any reason pretty much, right?

Evgeny:

And they do. Yeah. Now that technology is used by all governments. All governments are the same in my view, without saying more. It’s the same technology, it’s just written in a different ink, red or white or black. Yeah. So that’s why a second passport in short is… That’s why many of them buy second passport simply because they’re scared of what could happen to them for being perfectly legal. I mean, you look at Jack Ma and the attacks by the Chinese government on him and you look at all the Chinese billionaires that had fallen out of favor, some have escaped. That’s why many of the Chinese go to America to… They’re afraid of… But this is not just a Chinese thing, right? It’s worldwide.

Kevin Daisey:

That’s interesting. But yeah, I mean, that makes a lot of sense. If I was in that situation, I would do what I could to have a plan. What would you call it? A plan B, right?

Evgeny:

Yeah. We call it a plan B basically, which in most… The problem is that now when you can see the division in politics, for example, in America, I mean, you can see what is alleged by followers of Trump, and I actually believe that there’s been a lot of rigging of… Now, when you talk about illegalities happening in the country which pretends to be democratic, look, the rest of the countries just don’t stand a chance. So it’s everywhere. I mean, the fact is that you know if… And you’ve seen it in America, for example, in the 1950s, practitioners of medicine who practiced herbal medicine were attacked and put in prison because of what we call the medical mafia. That’s a known fact. And we are talking about just simple doctors who simply were trying to cure conditions like cancer, they were… And then the courts eventually accepted that that was wrong. But that was a whole resetting of the medical model in America. Now it’s totally pharmaceutical. Before, it was herbal and it changed in around the ’50s. That’s in my book as well, but…

Kevin Daisey:

I can’t wait to check the book out.

Evgeny:

Yeah. So there are things that were not being told about… For example, you can also say that there’s a lot of technologies out there, including medical technologies that are disruptive. In other words, they go against the current monopolies and the patents are bought by these companies and hidden away. So when we talk about that and we talk about the power of government, I mean, in America, if you were actually prosecuted for something or anywhere, your chance of actually defending yourself is less than zero. There’s a famous story of a bank. In America, for example, 2008 crisis was considered by the FBI as fraudulent. In other words, many of the banks issued fraudulent credit. Now, none of them were prosecuted except for one small family bank owned by the Chinese, I forget in which state. They threw $10 million in funds against that bank for fraud, when all it did was issue credit based on normal practices. Now, the other banks were saved by money-

Kevin Daisey:

Someone had to go down.

Evgeny:

Yeah. Someone had to go down. So again, if you have to go down, if anyone can go down having a plan B asset protection, and this is not just… Let’s look at the ordinary situation of the creditor. Now, in America, if you are in a partnership with anybody, or if you have any type of business, they can sue you for anything. We talk about, for example, there are cases in America where a robber was granted a claim for slipping in the house he robbed, right? So in that type of… Yeah.

Kevin Daisey:

Insane.

Evgeny:

I mean, it’s nuts, but in that type of litigation strategy with contingency fees being the mode, having an asset protection structure off shore is absolutely essential. Not to mention divorce, where the spouse can basically make up anything he or she wants and have all your assets frozen forever. Now, all of that means that it’s like basically having an insurance policy for medicine. It’s essential to have a trust or an asset protection for yourself and the family. So that’s what we specialize in basically.

Kevin Daisey:

Well, I mean, really fascinating for me and hopefully for some of the guests listening as well, I would think. Your book again, Avoid debt and taxes.

Evgeny:

Avoiding Debt and Taxes. Yeah.

Kevin Daisey:

Yes. And I was talking to him as well, Evgeny as well, there’s another book, which if you’re interested, anyone listening, but is The Creature from Jekyll Island, which really goes in a lot of detail about The Federal Reserve and how that was all orchestrated and that’s another fascinating book that I think is worth checking out whether or not you end up believing it or not, but it’s some things you got to think about and what’s really going on in the world and with the governments. So I appreciate you sharing.

Evgeny:

It’s a beautiful work, The Creature from Jekyll Island, but it’s interesting. I don’t know whether it’s in the book, but I think three of the American presidents had been linked to… Their assassinations have been linked to their attempt to stop the Fed and to create their own reserve as it were. So there’s a lot of-

Kevin Daisey:

Not a good idea.

Evgeny:

… information about that, but yeah. So yeah, some fascinating stuff and should be read by everyone.

Kevin Daisey:

Yeah. I agree. I think draw your conclusion of course, but definitely worth… Take a look. I’m going to definitely check out your book. So I want to ask you too a little bit more about the… In Panama, you said that there’s a city, the private city, first of its kind, potentially. So give us a little more information about that.

Evgeny:

Yeah. I mean, we’ve partnered with some of Panama’s top family offices to create… We have the land, which is 1,500 hectares of land, which is quite a large bit of land on the beach and right beside one of the best areas in Panama one and a half hours to the city with its own airport-

Kevin Daisey:

Sounds nice.

Evgeny:

… everything else, the city will be a unique and it will be a private city. There’ll be a lot of developments in that. For example, we’ve partnered with a number of institutes which are creating a disease free buildings using technology that they’ve developed, which was a doomsday military scenario long ago, but that technology was never used. Now, actual because now with COVID and other viruses, this is only the beginning in our view of what’s going to happen. Any idiot with a virus bottle can actually release deadly very much easier than any nuclear threat. So we have the technology for those buildings. We have new technology, it’s a billion dollar fund, which has created new technology using sea waves, windmills, and-

Kevin Daisey:

To power?

Evgeny:

… solar to create basically almost free power. We have a company which is now going to be floated on [inaudible 00:19:06] by water from the bottom of the ocean, and we have a new technology which we have and it’s been developed, the prototype, which is turning human waste into pure water and fertilizer [inaudible 00:19:27]. Now, so that’s just part of the technologies we have, but the whole city is going-

Kevin Daisey:

And that’s very [crosstalk 00:19:33].

Evgeny:

Yeah. So the whole city is going to be based on Panama’s existing legal technology, which is the free zone, techno free zone laws, which grants virtually tax free exit and entry of goods, no taxation on worldwide income, the right to issue your… There’s no limitation on crypto issuing or cryptocurrencies. So we also have a family office, which will hold the investment in pure gold. In other words, the investors will be able to invest in a gold fund to hold their investment pending the development of the city as a guarantee. So we’ve covered many of the bases. The project is at its first stage around the financing, which hasn’t started yet, but it’s… Everything is in place. We’ve got all the players, all the teams in place to begin, and the land of course, which is the key. So yes.

Kevin Daisey:

That’s incredibly [inaudible 00:20:37] a thousand acres?

Evgeny:

1,500 hectares.

Kevin Daisey:

1,500 acres.

Evgeny:

One hectare is four acres. So it’s the size of a city.

Kevin Daisey:

That’s amazing. So first question in my mind is how do you participate? How do you become part of this private city?

Evgeny:

We’ll release that next. There’s two levels. First of all, we’re going to have family offices who are going to buy a stake in the whole city. Now, the difference between that city and any other development, it’s going to be a trading entity. In other words, the city will also own technology and be able to trade in various and the whole city will also [inaudible 00:21:22] farms of fish farming, because this is in a fish farming area, one of the top in the world. There’ll be also organic farming. The city will have a constitution which will ban all things that are bad for humankind, including GMOs. So everything in the city will actually enhance human health. [inaudible 00:21:47] the family offices will invest the stake in the purchase of the first ground, which will be the building of the infrastructure and which will be the purchase of the land. So they will own the land and the infrastructure. They’ll own the city. The second round to the public will be… And again, not everyone will be able to participate.

Kevin Daisey:

I would assume.

Evgeny:

[crosstalk 00:22:07]. Sorry?

Kevin Daisey:

I said I would assume that’s what I was wondering from what’s that look like.

Evgeny:

Then the idea of the city is not new. It was actually established in the book, which is very famous of course. Ayn Rand, who wrote about Galt’s Gulch, and there have been various attempts to create it over time in recent years and they’re only beginning. We expect many cities to pop up around the world like this. Panama just happens to be a really good place to do it simply because of the fact that private cities are quite accepted in Panama. Large blocks of land are owned by families. There’s no real interference. There’s no problems with that. No one considers that a unique concept. So what we’re doing is not radical in that sense.

Kevin Daisey:

That’s it.

Evgeny:

In some places, it would not be allowed.

Kevin Daisey:

I assume America would be one of those.

Evgeny:

Quite possibly. Yes.

Kevin Daisey:

Yeah. I can’t even build a deck in my backyard without getting approval.

Evgeny:

Exactly. Well, there, the city will… The government is actually supporting us so far. We’ve talked to them at a highest level and they are very interested because it’ll put Panama on the map. The project is worth over 30 billion. So it will bring a lot of resources to Panama, but also the ideas to connect the world’s wealthiest people with the world’s smartest people in a community, which will incubate the energy that America was supposed to have been long ago. The whole idea of America as a free, libertarian constitutionally based country, which was an idea, is possible in my view, only with a small community of something like a hundred thousand people that more or less can interact and know with each other and are selected. So there’s no division between… For example, I’m totally opposed to the concept of socialism or communism and so will the city because… And unfortunately, that what I call a mental disease, which is socialism and communism is now spread throughout the world.

Evgeny:

So cities like this are the antidote, because if you look at what Ayn Rand writes in her book, in Atlas Shrugged, she basically says if you put… 1% of the population actually does something and 99% are parasites, the population will die. The structure will die. And she predicts the collapse of America in Atlas Shrugged. And she wrote that she was actually a Russian-Jewish immigrant and she wrote that… I think it was in the ’50s when she wrote… Don’t quote me, it could have been earlier. So it’s very interesting that what she wrote is now actually happening, with basically the smartest people being taxed to debt and [inaudible 00:25:21] for trying to do something. So people are now understanding that they want to be able to produce their own labor. And by the way, another aspect of the free city, because I’m very much… I’ve been a part of indigenous rights. I believe the indigenous people of the world have had their land stolen and their culture destroyed.

Evgeny:

One part of the city will be reserved for the indigenous tribes of Panama to actually be protectors of the land. In other words, to grow their own medicinal plants, to grow other cultures, and to actually participate-

Kevin Daisey:

Interesting.

Evgeny:

… in the preservation of the city as a preservation of the nature of the city, because we’ve screwed up our world as well. There’s so much plastic in the ocean now. One of my friends is going to be on the board. He dives with great white sharks and without a suit, without a tank.

Kevin Daisey:

Without nothing.

Evgeny:

Yeah. And he believed… He’s very much into preservation of ocean. They’re actually islands of plastic in the ocean now, bigger than the normal [inaudible 00:26:37] don’t break down. And if we don’t start doing something, we’re going to destroy the world and there’s nowhere else. We’re not going to get to Mars anytime soon.

Kevin Daisey:

Elon Musk’s not going to save us.

Evgeny:

Yeah, no. Well, if he does, he’ll only save 1% of the richest people who he’ll take with them and leave the rest of us to die.

Kevin Daisey:

Him and Jeff Bezos.

Evgeny:

Yeah, exactly. Exactly. So that’s another reason why I’m so passionate about this, because I believe that if we create enough cities like this, we’ll be able to literally save the world. It’s like an arch in a way, because if we ban all the things that are harmful to the environment and to human health in our own and that takes off worldwide and we create enough space, we preserve enough human rights. We’ll be able to possibly save mankind because I don’t see any other solution, and certainly not a political one.

Kevin Daisey:

Yeah, no, no, no doubt. Well, Evgeny, I think what you’re up to and what you’re doing and how, what’s the right word, driven, motivated, active you are, I think it’s just amazing. I think everyone that’s tuning in definitely check out his websites, NTLwealth.com or Mundo.Experts. So it’s not dot com, it’s Mundo.Experts to learn more about him, and yeah, I appreciate you really just sharing your story. So you’re not just managing a law firm and practicing law, but there’s so much more that you’re up to and that you’re doing, which I think is really interesting and I think it was to turn in and learn more about what you’re up to. If someone wanted to connect with you or find out more about this private city, what’s the best way for them to do some more research or connect with you?

Evgeny:

My email is ceo@ntlwealth.com. Yeah. And that’d be great to receive emails there, so, yeah.

Kevin Daisey:

Okay. So Ceo@ntlwealth.com. Reach out to him and get [inaudible 00:29:01]. Yeah. Again, I just think your story is so unique and different and traveling the world, doing amazing things, I think it’s all very intriguing. I want to check out your book. I’m definitely going to order that and read that as soon as I can. So that’s going to be on my list. I try to read two books or more a month. So that’s going to go in my library right away, but I’ll push it to the front so I can-

Evgeny:

I’d love your thoughts on that.

Kevin Daisey:

No, absolutely.

Evgeny:

Really appreciate… There’s some interesting stuff in there in terms of the facts and I’d love you to actually play the devil’s advocate and see… It’d be interesting, but it’s quite controversial.

Kevin Daisey:

Well, one of the things… I mean, so I look at the cover of the book and I see you have a Bitcoin in the cover.

Evgeny:

Yeah. So crypto. Crypto,

Kevin Daisey:

Yeah. Crypto. So real quick before we tune out on this episode, thoughts on what El Salvador has done with going with Bitcoin as their currency?

Evgeny:

I mean, basically this is in the last chapter, but I talk about that throughout the book. I mean, essentially, it’s this and a lot of economists have been saying that and it’s a basic fact. No feared currency has ever survived. I mean, though the one that survived the longest was probably the Roman coin and that too collapsed. And the only things that have ever survived throughout history as a form of money has been gold and silver. And the reason for that is it’s very hard to produce it quickly and everyone believes in it. Now, as soon as people lose their belief in the currency, it collapses because it’s not backed by anything.

Evgeny:

The American dollar, the biggest debt in the world as we all know is by America. So the minute people lose their faith, and that takes a second, as we see in the great depression, the economy will collapse. But not only that, so will the country, so will various parts of it. So it’s quite… The creation of new currencies and crypto is actually an evolution of finance. People have now understood that the governments created money out of nothing. They can do the same. Now governments are trying to stop them obviously.

Kevin Daisey:

China’s already banned it.

Evgeny:

Yeah. Yeah. They want to have the monopoly on that. Now, potentially, that won’t stick because what is now happening is blockchain allows you to have what’s called the DAO, decentralized autonomous organization. You don’t need a central power to tell you how to trade. You can have smart contracts. So in other words, if [inaudible 00:31:58], I can track the trade and I can enforce my rights. I don’t need a government or law firm or system [crosstalk 00:32:05].

Kevin Daisey:

An international bank or nobody.

Evgeny:

Exactly. So people will be able to go back to the way they used to trade in tribal societies with each other, but using blockchain, and then the role of centralized authorities will end. Now that’s an evolutionary thing. Obviously, between that, there’ll be wars, attacks, tax on freedom, but in the end, it’s just not productive because when you use a bank, you pay something like if you put all your transaction fees, you can pay up to 4% of the transaction in fees. Whereas if you use the blockchain and your own currency, you have almost no fees. Now in the end, the banks are also collapsing to fintech. So that’s why the people that are creating their own, now let’s say communities using things like ICOs, although that’s no longer a popular word, but coins, are now creating exchanges based on themselves. They don’t need anybody else. And that’ll grow, in my opinion. And when it’s banned, people will just move to the places where it’s not. So it’s… Yeah. So that’s why that’s on the cover of the book, but there’s more to it than that. Yeah.

Kevin Daisey:

Yeah. Do you personally invest in crypto?

Evgeny:

Yes. However, there is a downside to crypto is that no one will know which crypto will survive.

Kevin Daisey:

And there’s so many options right now. I’ve got money in a handful, but it’s the Wild Wild West right now.

Evgeny:

Yeah. It’s exactly. It’s a new [inaudible 00:33:51] survive, will the people in that will have thousands and thousands and it may be a new technology based on that. But certainly within that, there’ll be waves of attack, like taxation, prohibitions. The fact that El Salvador has adopted it is not a good thing for crypto for the reason of one has to understand what El Salvador is and I wouldn’t like to say that on a public broadcast.

Kevin Daisey:

Yeah. No, it didn’t help Bitcoin and it only crashed and went down and it seems like it’s… Well, they’re basically just… They’re forcing people to use it too, right? I mean, it’s not the way to do it.

Evgeny:

Well, I mean, it’s sadly going to be a very bad blow to the reputation of Bitcoin, because then it will allow the regulators to play their card of excuse saying, “Oh, well, this is linked to criminal organizations and now we’re going to ban it all.” And sadly, that is the danger that… That’s the card they’ll play. Of course, the dollar in cash is actually much, much worse as a system of exchange for criminals than Bitcoin, but they don’t talk about that, but that’s another story.

Kevin Daisey:

It’s another story. We’ll have to have another episode to cover all that. Well, I honestly… I just appreciate you sharing everything that you have shared, and again, I know we could probably talk all day, but for the purpose of the episode and everyone listening, I hope you’ve enjoyed what Evgeny’s had to share and I know it’s a lot. So feel free to listen to again, check out his book, check out what he’s up to, check on the websites that I had shared and we’ll post those out as well, but interesting stuff, man. I really appreciate you sharing and again, coming from Moscow. When you’re traveling back to Panama?

Evgeny:

Probably in about six weeks or so.

Kevin Daisey:

Okay. So this man’s all over the place. Well, have a safe trip when you go back. Me and you will chat after this, just stay on with me. Everyone, thanks for tuning in. I hope you have picked up some interesting things. We’ve got a couple of books that you should check out. Again, Creature From Jekyll Island. No, The Creature from Jekyll Island and Avoid Debt and Taxes [crosstalk 00:36:19].

Evgeny:

Avoiding Debt and Taxes.

Kevin Daisey:

Avoiding Debt and Taxes. So Google that, it comes right up. Check that out. I’m going to go get a copy right now. Everyone for tuning in, thanks so much. We will have this featured episode up on our website, thisisarray.com/podcast. There’ll also be an audio version as soon as we get it edited up on all the podcasting platforms. So be sure to check that out and that’s it. So if everyone needs any help with digital marketing, your law firm trying to do amazing things like our friend here, please reach out. We can help you. Whether or not it’s directly or just answering questions, we’re happy to help any way we can. Go to, sorry, losing my voice, thisisarray.com. That’s it. Evgeny, anything else you want to say before we go?

Evgeny:

No, that’s it. Thank you so much for having me on and it’s been a pleasure talking to you. Really appreciate it.

Kevin Daisey:

Yeah. You too. Again, amazing story, amazing things, and look forward to talking to you more and everyone else, have a great day.